tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1086978161944568008.post4712224103645567363..comments2023-09-18T08:44:40.951-05:00Comments on faith in community: A Couple of things I Don't like about ChasublesDiane M. Rothhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07749136181846671327noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1086978161944568008.post-79615361938171142802008-01-30T06:41:00.000-06:002008-01-30T06:41:00.000-06:00as a 5'2" clergy woman, i can definitely, definite...as a 5'2" clergy woman, i can definitely, definitely relate. your reflection sheds some new light on the fact that the celebrant's chair is literally and figuratively too big for me.apbshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06978684393007196996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1086978161944568008.post-12679332533646169472008-01-29T18:01:00.000-06:002008-01-29T18:01:00.000-06:00nice to meet you too, grace. make sure you use th...nice to meet you too, grace. make sure you use the "chasuble" spelling. I think that's the most normal.Diane M. Rothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07749136181846671327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1086978161944568008.post-68419863838003573572008-01-29T17:53:00.000-06:002008-01-29T17:53:00.000-06:00Well, I'd never even HEARD the word 'chausable' un...Well, I'd never even HEARD the word 'chausable' until I cruised by your blog - so thanks for the education! I went through four years of higher education and missed this word somehow...<BR/><BR/>But, boy do I get it when you talk about the 'call' being too Big. For sure. Great analogy, and a good word for me this evening....<BR/><BR/>Pleasure to make your acquaintance, Diane!!! I'll be back...Bethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03119943581970095780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1086978161944568008.post-11687559453464675302008-01-29T17:04:00.000-06:002008-01-29T17:04:00.000-06:00What a great conversation. I'm glad I read every w...What a great conversation. I'm glad I read every word.Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04107175348265816279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1086978161944568008.post-84373597458559089722008-01-29T14:57:00.000-06:002008-01-29T14:57:00.000-06:00I am with you on clericalism, too.I am with you on clericalism, too.Diane M. Rothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07749136181846671327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1086978161944568008.post-32272378159707536412008-01-29T14:56:00.000-06:002008-01-29T14:56:00.000-06:00Paul, again, this is what one of my seminary profe...Paul, again, this is what one of my seminary professors did. He went out during the offering and, as he said, "dressed for dinner." In former days, when we had the one fancy "frock" for Christmas and Easter, whoever presided wore it for the whole service. personally, I prefer that.Diane M. Rothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07749136181846671327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1086978161944568008.post-55617877234076962812008-01-29T14:21:00.000-06:002008-01-29T14:21:00.000-06:00One thing I don't understand is the common practic...One thing I don't understand is the common practice of putting the chasuble on at the shift from Liturgy of the Word to Liturgy of the Table. My own theology, which is far more conservative than most folks would guess by looking at my social stances and rubrical creativity, is that the Eucharist is whole action. Whoever presides vests as presider throughout. This corresponds to my belief that it is the whole action of the gathered assembly that "makes Eucharist" and, with the action of the Holy Spirit, consecrates the Bread and Wine. I don't like chopping the service up as though we were doing two distinct services stitched loosely together or focusing on any one moment, such as the words of institution.<BR/><BR/>I either wear it throughout the service or not at all (the latter usually when it was summer in California and my sweat production was less than edifying for the faithful).<BR/><BR/>I am always clear that it is never about me, no matter how pretty the $1000 frock I am wearing. I loath clericalism in all its forms.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06090720645937634051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1086978161944568008.post-79300762503845479752008-01-29T07:52:00.000-06:002008-01-29T07:52:00.000-06:00What a beautiful reflection, so true. The call is ...What a beautiful reflection, so true. The call is far bigger than even the (ahem) largest of us!<BR/><BR/>Pax, C.Ceciliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10812791378130572065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1086978161944568008.post-52379500460840107082008-01-29T07:28:00.000-06:002008-01-29T07:28:00.000-06:00We (three women priests of our ministry team) have...We (three women priests of our ministry team) have an inherited closest full of them and have opted not to wear them. Too much fuss in the middle of the service, too showy, not good fit...lots of stuff.So I found this fascinating that here is a movement toward them in some quarters. I loved your reflection on the ministry too big....Amen to that one daily! So glad we are not in this gig alone.RevDrKatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06043193615563649333noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1086978161944568008.post-51151671300258493572008-01-28T21:22:00.000-06:002008-01-28T21:22:00.000-06:00kievas, you are probably right, although I found i...kievas, you are probably right, although I found it under both spellings on google. as I said, I'm slightly new to this particular liturgical garment.<BR/><BR/>Fran -- I've missed you too.Diane M. Rothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07749136181846671327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1086978161944568008.post-73783252748042290262008-01-28T21:01:00.000-06:002008-01-28T21:01:00.000-06:00As a Catholic, I am well versed in all sorts of ch...As a Catholic, I am well versed in all sorts of church garb. <BR/><BR/>But what I really loved is all the things you were saying about church, women, symbols and more.<BR/><BR/>And about what is too Big. That was the clincher for me.<BR/><BR/>I miss being around more often and will be back soon. Things go well and I thank you for your support Diane.Franhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07181529277715646835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1086978161944568008.post-17074846009946415542008-01-28T20:20:00.000-06:002008-01-28T20:20:00.000-06:00I knew a priest who used the sleeves as extra stor...I knew a priest who used the sleeves as extra storage space...maybe that's why they're big :)<BR/><BR/>I always thought it was spelled "chasuble" though. Maybe that's just the Catholic variant.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1086978161944568008.post-59761879325776464282008-01-28T16:06:00.000-06:002008-01-28T16:06:00.000-06:00Paul -- exactly what I was aiming for...and that i...Paul -- exactly what I was aiming for...<BR/>and that is true for all of us, whatever our ministry and whatever our vocation.Diane M. Rothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07749136181846671327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1086978161944568008.post-38366827709608678962008-01-28T11:12:00.000-06:002008-01-28T11:12:00.000-06:00One size definitely does not fit all. I am on the...One size definitely does not fit all. I am on the other end of the size spectrum. Because I am over 6'4", I ordered the "ample" (I think it was) for one and even I have to fold back the sleeves on that one. All the others are "standard" which means some work for shorter folk and some... not so much. A stole that looks decent on me would probably reach your toes and one that suits you would come to my knees and look inadequate for such a giant.<BR/><BR/>Being an ex-Baptist who became Episcopalian, and thus someone attracted to symbolism and ritual and loving every bit of it, I enjoy vestments (which may have some of my Swedish Lutheran ancestors spinning in their graves).<BR/><BR/>I think your musings on the size, dare we say "immensity", of the call cut to the real substance here. Trappings are trappings, which may help create a seasonal tone for worship but may also distract according to sensibilities. Trying to grow into our vocation, however, is something that matters very much. <BR/><BR/>Because God is so much more than we are and what might be done is always so much more than we can do, the tension will always be there. Fortunately, it all rests with God's faithfulness and not ours. To paraphrase Luther we are "simul fidelis et infidelis," at one and the same time faith-filled and unfaithful, painfully inadequate and immeasurably gifted by Christ.<BR/><BR/>So we do what we can and trust God, not ourselves, to fill our efforts with grace and accomplish what God wills to accomplish.<BR/><BR/>This all reminds me: I should get to work sewing stoles for the Episcopalian remnant in the Diocese of San Joaquin.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06090720645937634051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1086978161944568008.post-3763124690243454542008-01-28T10:19:00.000-06:002008-01-28T10:19:00.000-06:00That's a wise observation.That's a wise observation.zorrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00301856272073306968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1086978161944568008.post-27532536060211825872008-01-28T09:18:00.000-06:002008-01-28T09:18:00.000-06:00I'm still trying to get used to the idea of wearin...I'm still trying to get used to the idea of wearing a stole. I have no idea what that is going to be like.<BR/><BR/>Here in the south there seem to be more and more pastors wearing chausables these days. Perhaps a renewed focus on piety or tradition?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1086978161944568008.post-9834492963790582872008-01-28T09:08:00.000-06:002008-01-28T09:08:00.000-06:00Yes, Beautiful, sometimes very showy. I have a go...Yes, Beautiful, sometimes very showy. I have a gorgeous book of liturgical fabric art that I've been studying again because I'm currently sewing a stole. Also, I've looked at a number of the websites of liturgical fabric artists. <BR/><BR/>The book is The Patchwork Pilgrimage, by Liddel, and it has work pictured from Denmark, Sweden, England, France, United States, Canada, Australia and New Zealand.<BR/><BR/>There is a liturgical <A HREF="http://www.adornthishouse.com/ " REL="nofollow">fiber artist</A> in Minnesota who is an acquaintance of mine. <BR/><BR/>Hope that link works. She says that as a PK she was in church a lot and began to appreciate the visual aspects of church, as that was what was most important to her, hence her vocation/career.<BR/><BR/>I have links to other sites stored away, if you are interested.LoieJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01977264499770654307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1086978161944568008.post-52850714549238910002008-01-28T08:08:00.000-06:002008-01-28T08:08:00.000-06:00they are pretty, though....they are pretty, though....Diane M. Rothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07749136181846671327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1086978161944568008.post-59933639065378150522008-01-28T07:57:00.000-06:002008-01-28T07:57:00.000-06:00Nice analogy. Hey, why wasn't the chausable order...Nice analogy. <BR/><BR/>Hey, why wasn't the chausable ordered to fit you and then the guys could wear it with the "sleeves" too short?<BR/><BR/>And just because some Lutherans east and west of us wear chausables, doesn't mean those of you in Lutherland need to have them. There would be good reasons to NOT have them, such as less focus on the leader at communion, more focus on the Christ. But also, the $$ could have gone to a mission.LoieJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01977264499770654307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1086978161944568008.post-27180578946941627232008-01-28T00:41:00.000-06:002008-01-28T00:41:00.000-06:00Great analogy .. and I don't like chausables eithe...Great analogy .. and I don't like chausables either!Rev SShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14661507940053055640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1086978161944568008.post-52563481179412337062008-01-27T22:19:00.000-06:002008-01-27T22:19:00.000-06:00Wow, I had never even heard of the word "chausable...Wow, I had never even heard of the word "chausable"!!Barbara B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02645311082295646375noreply@blogger.com