tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1086978161944568008.post3933265131259825310..comments2023-09-18T08:44:40.951-05:00Comments on faith in community: So Many Bibles, So Little TimeDiane M. Rothhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07749136181846671327noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1086978161944568008.post-80855319087115245522008-11-17T09:31:00.000-06:002008-11-17T09:31:00.000-06:00Diane,You pose an excellent question. I think wh...Diane,<BR/>You pose an excellent question. I think what is involved is a shift in models, from knowledge to be mastered to an ongoing dialogue and relationship with Scripture. Part of the problem is that this runs counter to much of what we are taught about reading, literature, and even faith. Personally, I think it starts young - and this is where the baptists have us - with knowledge mastery at a young age (5th grade and prior), when they are developmentally more inclined toward that way of learning. And then, confirmation onward, you start encouraging real engagement.<BR/><BR/>But I also just plain don't know if there is one good answer -- if you come up with one, will you let the rest of us know?<BR/><BR/>I tend to rely heavily on the NRSV as a translation, because I think it is important for us as a church (congregationally and ELCA) to have some connection through using a common text. I no longer enjoy any study bibles - I want to be able to sit down and just read. I do occassionally inquire into the notes of the New Interpreters' Study Bible, but that's about it. I had a life application bible that was given to me at COnfirmation, which I used through my sophomore year of college.<BR/><BR/>Devotionally, I use the Message. I find Petersen's translation to be dynamic and engaging in a way that the bigger, committee-translations are not. I found him to be pretty true to the text, despite leaning toward the side of paraphrase. I also gave the message to this year's confirmation students.Pastor Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09494101435500835028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1086978161944568008.post-77769714248013065212008-11-16T22:11:00.000-06:002008-11-16T22:11:00.000-06:00PS, I'm mixed about The Message. Eugene Peterson ...PS, I'm mixed about The Message. Eugene Peterson is a good writer; I admire that. I've read some of his other books, and I like some of his ideas. I've been reading, off and on, "Eat this Book." Peterson did translate from the original Greek and Hebrew.<BR/><BR/>But, I'm sure it carries his biases, too. <BR/><BR/>I'd like to read the review.Diane M. Rothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07749136181846671327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1086978161944568008.post-90419570283360756322008-11-16T21:17:00.000-06:002008-11-16T21:17:00.000-06:00Diane, I did catch you humor in the original posti...Diane, I did catch you humor in the original posting.<BR/>I use an NIV Bible that has lots of footnotes, but doesn't have the questions or study guide info. I know it is used by the Evangelical segment of the Christian community, but I bought it because of the footnotes. The notes and intros were written by a broad array of Bible scholars, so there is some balance, and they do point out differences in interpretation of a number of verses, yet they don't admit that some verses might be taken literally, such as the verses that Lutherans use for the basis of communion. [Odd isn't it that the literalists don't recognize that possible interpretation. Of course, the word "is" is taught as part of a simile in English class.] <BR/><BR/>My husband reads from that Bible, but also looks at the NRSV and the Phillips, which belonged to his dad. <BR/><BR/>I've read a not flattering review of The Message in a book that was anti-Purpose Driven Life and its founder. I don't know what to make of that.LoieJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01977264499770654307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1086978161944568008.post-20453850179181275142008-11-16T20:07:00.000-06:002008-11-16T20:07:00.000-06:00Apparently there's now an Inclusive Language versi...Apparently there's now an Inclusive Language version from some well respected scholars. Haven't seen it personally.<BR/><BR/>Lectio divina...best way I know to invite people to love the Bible.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the post, DianeKatherine E.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06322364633534297714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1086978161944568008.post-23461346947643352812008-11-16T18:19:00.000-06:002008-11-16T18:19:00.000-06:00ps, I wasn't commenting so much on the content of ...ps, I wasn't commenting so much on the content of the "life application" bible as on the title. There used to be Serendipity Bible study Bible, which included study questions of the type you mention.<BR/><BR/>One of the reasons we give the CEV to the young people: the NRSV does have more difficult sentence structure. <BR/><BR/>What version do you use, PS?Diane M. Rothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07749136181846671327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1086978161944568008.post-71943591291100217072008-11-16T18:10:00.000-06:002008-11-16T18:10:00.000-06:00Although I haven't personally had one of those app...Although I haven't personally had one of those application type Bibles, people in my study group have used them. My impression is that they include study questions and thought questions, rather than tell one what to think? Am I off base on that?<BR/><BR/>People I know that have been to Lutheran Sems seem to use the NRSV bible, but I've found that the sentence structure is not easy to understand. Supposedly it is more like the original...but if I don't understand it, so what? Any translation includes the bias of the translators.LoieJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01977264499770654307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1086978161944568008.post-3349916234266376652008-11-15T21:16:00.000-06:002008-11-15T21:16:00.000-06:00I so agree, how to teach people to read the Bible ...I so agree, how to teach people to read the Bible with wonder over the mystery of how God might reveal God's self in and through reading the Bible for more than the literal words on the page but the truth inside those words....Terrihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15667178624061122421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1086978161944568008.post-35095998650610112042008-11-15T20:11:00.000-06:002008-11-15T20:11:00.000-06:00Recently I noticed that "Green Bible" at Barnes an...Recently I noticed that "Green Bible" at Barnes and Noble. The one that I am enthralled with right now is "The Five Gospels" by the Jesus Seminar! My faith is increasing with seeing what Jesus probably said and what they didn't feel like he did! (Probably because I agree.)Janhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08061517211101084120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1086978161944568008.post-14437672527554346542008-11-15T12:19:00.000-06:002008-11-15T12:19:00.000-06:00I have a love affair with bibles, but I do like my...I have a love affair with bibles, but I do like my translations to be the best,so I stick to the NRSV and The New Jerusalem as my regulars. I've also had the New American. I can appreciate the KJV but it is a horrid translation for the most part.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1086978161944568008.post-84428973943325697302008-11-15T11:42:00.000-06:002008-11-15T11:42:00.000-06:00Thoughtful post. You rock, Diane.Thoughtful post. You rock, Diane.Barbara B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02645311082295646375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1086978161944568008.post-45174858370998188802008-11-15T10:40:00.000-06:002008-11-15T10:40:00.000-06:00"it's not like those other Bibles, which don't app...<I>"it's not like those other Bibles, which don't apply to your life."</I><BR/><BR/>That is a very funny statement. It made me laugh... and then sigh.<BR/><BR/>It is my constant struggle to try to make the underlying truth (it DOES apply!) tangible.<BR/><BR/>Then I run up against things like... the lectionary.<BR/><BR/>I guess I am not opposed to those bibles in concept.... only in the places where I think the heavy handed bias they display can actually do harm (as in, to our young people, in the misleading things they say about sexuality).<BR/><BR/><I>We know how to sell the bible, but do we know how to read the bible?</I><BR/><BR/>That's the question. And... for the most part, no. But... that may be as true for me as it is for anybody else! The more I know, the more I stand shaking, in awe, before my lack of understanding.<BR/><BR/>Maybe that's the way to read the bible.Magdalene6127https://www.blogger.com/profile/11036211735489393308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1086978161944568008.post-11838206439083375312008-11-15T10:32:00.000-06:002008-11-15T10:32:00.000-06:00Ruth! very funny (and yet quite astute) comment ab...Ruth! very funny (and yet quite astute) comment about the letters in red :) <BR/><BR/>As i look over at my shelf I have a few to add to the list - the Inductive Bible from my Precept upon Precept days....and a dear old friend's Amplified Bible - which might have been for the hard of hearing?ROBERTAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09130103117335080071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1086978161944568008.post-26484399819139687342008-11-15T09:28:00.000-06:002008-11-15T09:28:00.000-06:00I agree with what Jennifer said about modeling.And...I agree with what Jennifer said about modeling.<BR/><BR/>And I just had an irreverent thought. If we print the words of Jesus in red, does that make him a Communist? Or at very least as Socialist?Ruth Hull Chatlienhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08797146501548509911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1086978161944568008.post-32894045177038751102008-11-15T07:52:00.000-06:002008-11-15T07:52:00.000-06:00These are important questions Diane. As usual, I ...These are important questions Diane. As usual, I don't have any answers but I love your questions.<BR/><BR/>I'm an NIV gal, just personally. I've seen the Hunter's Bible and a few others that just made me roll my eyes. I'm holding out for the either the Lesbian Bible or, better yet a Holy Bible... Wait, that one's been done.<BR/><BR/>Have a good weekend.Lindyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04662429826507775390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1086978161944568008.post-43057156226930270002008-11-15T06:47:00.000-06:002008-11-15T06:47:00.000-06:00So, there's reading and there's READING. I think w...So, there's reading and there's READING. I think we model a love for the Bible and the treasure it holds and pray that the Spirit will help us be contagious.<BR/>Great post!Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04107175348265816279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1086978161944568008.post-35734441742793396012008-11-15T06:21:00.000-06:002008-11-15T06:21:00.000-06:00As a Roman Catholic I read either the New American...As a Roman Catholic I read either the New American Bible or the Jerusalem Bible- what one might call apocrypha or what would call deurtero-canonical books are included.<BR/><BR/>I personally love the Jerusalem (as opposed to the New Jerusalem) translation. Very lyrical and moving to me.<BR/><BR/>However, whatever version one chooses I simply urge people to read their Bibles!<BR/><BR/>Lovely post as always Diane.Franhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07181529277715646835noreply@blogger.com